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Of the many things which disturb me about Barack Obama is his penchant for secrecy which rivals that of the Bush administration. For a man who espouses themes of "hope" and "change," I'm not seeing a lot of personality deviation from the current occupant of the White House. A curious exhibit: why won't Obama release his birth certificate?

Daily KOS claimed to have a copy and posted it. However, even to the layman, the thing posted on the website of the great rancid cheeto looks, well... as fake as Pamela Anderson's tits. An independent weblogger posted a full deconstruction of the alleged document. I can't say I disagree with the deconstruction - I've used Photoshop, I know how to make a fake certificate (no, I won't make one for you - don't bother asking).

Why the secrecy? There's no reason for it...it is utterly perplexing...

Date: 2008-06-23 01:49 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shimmer-star.livejournal.com
this is first i'm hearing about a refusal to produce a birth certificate. regardless, i totally agree about his hope and change message and all that jazz. i'll vote for him very reluctantly.

Date: 2008-06-23 02:45 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] illusion-of-joy.livejournal.com
I can't agree with the "hope and chance" message when I have no idea exactly what it is he is hoping to change. The message is vacuous, which was why I went for Hillary in the first place: she laid it all on the line what she was about and I liked what I was hearing. While I would have been initially willing to vote for Obama a couple of months back, as I've uncovered more about Obama (corruption, severe shifts in political stances, secrecy, deception), the less I like him and the less willing I am to vote for him. Don't even get me started on the actions of the DNC screwing over Hillary Clinton!

As of right now, I don't see myself voting for Obama. I may write in a candidate, or I may very well "go nuclear" and break a lifelong Democratic record with a vote for McCain, in the hopes that he'd only be warming the bench in the Oval Office in time for a worthy Democrat to take his place in 2012. My fear is that if Obama does get the presidency (which is unlikely as he polls poorly in swing states), the Democrats will remain as complacent as they've been since 2006, allowing Obama's chickens to come home to roost, which will no doubt result in a republican majority in the House again, and, no doubt, impeachment proceedings not soon afterwards.

My bigger concern is with Obama himself as how, like Bush, he's inspired a cult following. No politician who inspires a cult following has any place in a democratic nation - no matter what party they affiliate themself with.

Date: 2008-06-23 01:32 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
you're, like, only the second person i've heard during campaign season who shares my views. i agree 150% with everything you just said - and i think it was a repulsive cluster f--k that brought down hillary. she's the best candidate for the job, polled well against mccain, and, well, she has tons more experience than obama. she's still who i want for president, and perhaps i'll just write in her name.

though for the sake of women's reproductive rights, i worry that voting for mccain would do more harm than good. the crazy right-wing nut that he's become is incredibly sad, as he was incredibly moderate just a few years ago. chris and i feel the same way about the cult of personality surrounding obama and how it's crazy scary.

Date: 2008-06-23 01:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shimmer-star.livejournal.com
sorry - that last response was mine. i'm not sure why it posted as anonymous...

Date: 2008-06-23 08:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] illusion-of-joy.livejournal.com
Hillary also won the popular vote and, had the superdelegates all endorsed in the same way each of their states' voted, she would have had a huge lead over Obama when all was said and done. So, yeah, clusterfuck indeed. Hillary was the only candidate who I wanted to vote for.

A McCain presidency doesn't make me panic for two reasons: 1.) He can't bring down Roe v Wade if a Democratic majority in the House blocks all of his judicial appointments - Bush had eight years to kill Roe v Wade and failed (like most other aspects of his presidency). 2.) It is possible - perhaps remotely - that McCain will rediscover his "maverick" side during the course of his campaign and work to bring the Republicans back to being the progressive party of Lincoln. The two parties have switched positions in regard to social progress before, and I don't doubt that it may someday happen again. If McCain channels Abraham Lincoln with a hearty dollop of Theodore Roosevelt, he could easily crush Obama

Either way, I think I may be able to more easily stomach four years of McCain than whatever Obama has planned in the form of some sort of neoliberalism.

I dislike all the candidates equally, but...

Date: 2008-06-24 10:46 am (UTC)
mokie: A strung light in the shape of a star (mellow)
From: [personal profile] mokie
Why should he?

Nobody asked for Clinton's. Nobody is asking for McCain's. I don't remember Bush coughing his up. I don't recall the history books talking about Lincoln or Roosevelt refusing to provide paternal proof of purchase.

Have we chosen a
passenger
candidate at random for this
shoe
ID check or are we just pulling aside the ones with suspiciously Muslim names?

Are we going to harangue McCain for not providing us a medical report on his sperm count next? It's about as relevant.

Re: I dislike all the candidates equally, but...

Date: 2008-06-24 11:36 am (UTC)
mokie: Earthrise seen from the moon (it can only end in tears)
From: [personal profile] mokie
Whoa, sorry, that came out far less funny and far more confrontational than it sounded in my head.

One of these days I will learn my lesson about catching up on LJ in the wee, sleepless hours of the morning...

Re: I dislike all the candidates equally, but...

Date: 2008-06-24 08:25 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] illusion-of-joy.livejournal.com
I'm ready for those belly dancing videos now. These are women with large bellies, right? ;)

Re: I dislike all the candidates equally, but...

Date: 2008-06-25 09:23 am (UTC)
mokie: A doll with an open torso featuring a diorama (yay for girls)
From: [personal profile] mokie
Some!

Okay, putting aside the peculiar sense of humor, some, maybe? :) Large can be very relative in bellydance, especially in tribal and gothic styles, since they attract the boobless twigs and the big girls alike, along with the yoga extendo-belly girls.

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